Re: Forum

Autor: crossroads
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To: Rene Kalff, Wang Xianqing, Felix Ostmann, Karel Kubat, Frederik Dannemare
Betreff: Re: Forum

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Hi ?,

I agree that mailing lists are easier but also more private. If we want mor=
e
people using crossroads, which I think is a good thing for security,
stability and development reasons, than making it easier for a casual
visitor to ask a question, browse the threads and give their opinion is
important.

An other difference is that being part of a mailing list is most of the tim=
e
equal to collecting spam. For example, using the current mailing list you
e-mail address is in plain text in the archive. Also by using the to (in
this case) or cc to list all users your address will be on everybody=B9s
computer. There are thousands of trojans searching for those.

At the bottom line there isn=B9t so much difference in using a forum. You can
still receive new posts in your e-mail but instead of clicking on reply you
click on the link.

Kind regards,

Rene Kalff

On 28-08-08 09:08, "crossroads@???" <crossroads@???>
wrote:

> i dont like forums :) Mailinglist are so easy :)
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> crossroads@??? schrieb:
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>> > A quick peek at the phpBB 3.x manual shows that users can register
>> > themselves, they then receive an confirmation e-mail in their mailbox =
to
>> > activate the account.
>> >=20
>> > I don=3DB9t understand what you mean by being spammed, do you allow to s=
end
>> > e-mails to the forum? My idea was that posts can only be made through =
the
>> > forum website. If people don=3DB9t want to watch the forum all the time =
to
>> see=20
>> > if there are new posts to can put one or multiple lists on their watch
>> list=3D=20
>> > s=20
>> > so they receive an e-mail when someone makes a post (with the contents=
of
>> > the post in it) and there is a deeplink to the forum if they want to p=
ost a
>> > reply. The sender of those e-mails is a noreply address like
>> > noreply@??? .
>> >=20
>> > Hosting is no problem, and I=3DB9ll pick up the task as moderator. What =
we
>> need=20
>> > is a forum url (xrforum.e-tunity.com or maybe registering a .org addre=
ss)
>> > and a noreply e-mail address.
>> >=20
>> > Kind regards,=20
>> >=20
>> > Rene Kalff=20
>> >=20
>> > On 27-08-08 22:38, "crossroads@???" <crossroads@???>
>> > wrote:=20
>> >=20
>> > =20
>>> >> Hi Rene,=3D20=20
>>> >> =3D20=20
>>> >> =20
>>>>> >>>> I'm trying to split things up in different mail threads so we do=
n't
>>>>> >>>> end up=3D20
>>>>> >>>> sending endless e-mails about 4 different subjects.
>>>>> >>>> =3D20=20
>>>>> >>>> I was thinking, what do you think about setting up a forum inste=
ad
>>>>> >>>> of using=3D20
>>>>> >>>> mailing lists? On the form people can decide if they want to rec=
eive
>>>>> >>>> new=3D20=20
>>>>> >>>> posts as an e-mail and it's much easier for a casual visitor to =
see
>>>>> >>>> what's=3D20
>>>>> >>>> going on, ask a question or whatever.
>>>>> >>>> =3D20=20
>>>>> >>>> I can install phpBB for example on my webserver, if you rather h=
ave a
>>>>> >>>> different forum application that's no problem either.
>>>>> >>>> =20
>>> >> =3D20=20
>>> >> I'm quite indifferent actually ;-)
>>> >> =3D20=20
>>> >> I run a phpBB forum myself for a small interest group, and it works
>>> >> really well. Mind that if you run it, you'll have the hassle of
>>> >> spammers, or you need to sign up people by hand. I agree though that=
a
>>> >> forum might be more easily managed and that users can choose what to
>>> >> see and what not.
>>> >> =3D20=20
>>> >> So all in all, I'm for. What do the rest of the list users think? If
>>> >> we proceed, then yes, I'd like to ask you to host it, I'm kinda
>>> >> swamped in real-world work right now (you know, the one that pays th=
e
>>> >> bills).=3D20=20
>>> >> =3D20=20
>>> >> Best regards / met vriendelijke groet,
>>> >> Karel Kubat / mob. +31 6 2956 4861
>>> >> =3D20=20
>>> >> =3D20=20
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>> > '>Hi Karel, 
>> > =20
>> > A quick peek at the phpBB 3.x manual shows that users can register
>> themselv=3D=20
>> > es, they then receive an confirmation e-mail in their mailbox to activ=
ate
>> th=3D=20
>> > e account. 
>> > =20
>> > I don’t understand what you mean by being spammed, do you allow =
to
>> se=3D=20
>> > nd e-mails to the forum? My idea was that posts can only be made throu=
gh
>> the=3D=20
>> > forum website. If people don’t want to watch the forum all the =
time
>> t=3D=20
>> > o see if there are new posts to can put one or multiple lists on their
>> watch=3D=20
>> > lists so they receive an e-mail when someone makes a post (with the
>> content=3D=20
>> > s of the post in it) and there is a deeplink to the forum if they want=
to
>> po=3D=20
>> > st a reply. The sender of those e-mails is a noreply address like <a
>> href=3D3D"n=3D=20
>> > oreply@???">noreply@???</a> . 
>> > =20
>> > Hosting is no problem, and I’ll pick up the task as moderator. W=
hat
>> w=3D=20
>> > e need is a forum url (xrforum.e-tunity.com or maybe registering a .or=
g
>> addr=3D=20
>> > ess) and a noreply e-mail address. 
>> > =20
>> > Kind regards, 
>> > =20
>> > Rene Kalff 
>> > =20
>> > On 27-08-08 22:38, "<a
>> href=3D3D"crossroads@???">crossroads@e-tun=3D
>> > ity.com</a>" <<a
>> href=3D3D"crossroads@???">crossroads@e-tunity.=3D
>> > com</a>> wrote: 
>> > =20
>> > <BLOCKQUOTE>> Arial"><=3D=20
>> > SPAN STYLE=3D3D'font-size:11pt'>Hi Rene, 
>> > =20
>> > > I'm trying to split things up in different mail threads so we don=
't
>> &n=3D=20
>> > bsp; =20
>> > > end up 
>> > > sending endless e-mails about 4 different subjects. 
>> > > =20
>> > > I was thinking, what do you think about setting up a forum instea=
d
>> &nb=3D=20
>> > sp; =20
>> > > of using 
>> > > mailing lists? On the form people can decide if they want to rece=
ive
>> &=3D=20
>> > nbsp; =20
>> > > new =20
>> > > posts as an e-mail and it's much easier for a casual visitor to s=
ee
>> &n=3D=20
>> > bsp; =20
>> > > what's 
>> > > going on, ask a question or whatever. 
>> > > =20
>> > > I can install phpBB for example on my webserver, if you rather ha=
ve a
>> =3D=20
>> > =20
>> > > different forum application that's no problem either. 
>> > =20
>> > I'm quite indifferent actually ;-) 
>> > =20
>> > I run a phpBB forum myself for a small interest group, and it works
>>  <=3D=20
>> > BR>=20
>> > really well. Mind that if you run it, you'll have the hassle of  =
 
>> > spammers, or you need to sign up people by hand. I agree though that a
>> &nbs=3D=20
>> > p; =20
>> > forum might be more easily managed and that users can choose what to
>>  =3D=20
>> > =20
>> > see and what not. 
>> > =20
>> > So all in all, I'm for. What do the rest of the list users think? If
>>  =3D=20
>> > =20
>> > we proceed, then yes, I'd like to ask you to host it, I'm kinda  =
 
>> > swamped in real-world work right now (you know, the one that pays the
>> &nbsp=3D=20
>> > ; =20
>> > bills). =20
>> > =20
>> > Best regards / met vriendelijke groet, 
>> > Karel Kubat / mob. +31 6 2956 4861 
>> > =20
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Hi ?, 
 
I agree that mailing lists are easier but also more private. If we want mor=
e people using crossroads, which I think is a good thing for security, stabi=
lity and development reasons, than making it easier for a casual visitor to =
ask a question, browse the threads and give their opinion is important. 
 
An other difference is that being part of a mailing list is most of the tim=
e equal to collecting spam. For example, using the current mailing list you =
e-mail address is in plain text in the archive. Also by using the to (in thi=
s case) or cc to list all users your address will be on everybody’s co=
mputer. There are thousands of trojans searching for those. 
 
At the bottom line there isn’t so much difference in using a forum. Y=
ou can still receive new posts in your e-mail but instead of clicking on rep=
ly you click on the link. 
 
Kind regards, 
 
Rene Kalff 
 
 
On 28-08-08 09:08, "<a href=3D"crossroads@???">crossroads@e-tun=
ity.com</a>" <<a href=3D"crossroads@???">crossroads@e-tunity.=
com</a>> wrote: 
 
<BLOCKQUOTE><=
SPAN STYLE=3D'font-size:11pt'>i dont like forums :) Mailinglist are so easy :)=
 
 
<a href=3D"crossroads@???">crossroads@???</a> schrieb: 
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> 
> Hi Karel, 
> 
> A quick peek at the phpBB 3.x manual shows that users can register <BR=
>
> themselves, they then receive an confirmation e-mail in their mailbox =
to 
> activate the account. 
> 
> I don=3DB9t understand what you mean by being spammed, do you allow to s=
end 
> e-mails to the forum? My idea was that posts can only be made through =
the 
> forum website. If people don=3DB9t want to watch the forum all the time =
to see 
> if there are new posts to can put one or multiple lists on their watch=
list=3D 
> s 
> so they receive an e-mail when someone makes a post (with the contents=
of 
> the post in it) and there is a deeplink to the forum if they want to p=
ost a 
> reply. The sender of those e-mails is a noreply address like 
> <a href=3D"noreply@???">noreply@???</a> . 
> 
> Hosting is no problem, and I=3DB9ll pick up the task as moderator. What =
we need 
> is a forum url (xrforum.e-tunity.com or maybe registering a .org addre=
ss) 
> and a noreply e-mail address. 
> 
> Kind regards, 
> 
> Rene Kalff 
> 
> On 27-08-08 22:38, "<a href=3D"crossroads@???">crossroads@=
e-tunity.com</a>" <<a href=3D"crossroads@???">crossroads@e-tu=
nity.com</a>> 
> wrote: 
> 
>    
>> Hi Rene,=3D20 
>> =3D20 
>>      
>>>> I'm trying to split things up in different mail threads so=
we don't 
>>>> end up=3D20 
>>>> sending endless e-mails about 4 different subjects. 
>>>> =3D20 
>>>> I was thinking, what do you think about setting up a forum=
instead 
>>>> of using=3D20 
>>>> mailing lists? On the form people can decide if they want =
to receive 
>>>> new=3D20 
>>>> posts as an e-mail and it's much easier for a casual visit=
or to see 
>>>> what's=3D20 
>>>> going on, ask a question or whatever. 
>>>> =3D20 
>>>> I can install phpBB for example on my webserver, if you ra=
ther have a 
>>>> different forum application that's no problem either. 
>>>>          
>> =3D20 
>> I'm quite indifferent actually ;-) 
>> =3D20 
>> I run a phpBB forum myself for a small interest group, and it work=
s 
>> really well. Mind that if you run it, you'll have the hassle of <B=
R>
>> spammers, or you need to sign up people by hand. I agree though th=
at a 
>> forum might be more easily managed and that users can choose what =
to 
>> see and what not. 
>> =3D20 
>> So all in all, I'm for. What do the rest of the list users think? =
If 
>> we proceed, then yes, I'd like to ask you to host it, I'm kinda <B=
R>
>> swamped in real-world work right now (you know, the one that pays =
the 
>> bills).=3D20 
>> =3D20 
>> Best regards / met vriendelijke groet, 
>> Karel Kubat / mob. +31 6 2956 4861 
>> =3D20 
>> =3D20 
>> =3D20 
>> =3D20 
>> =3D20 
>>      
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> <=
SPAN STYLE=3D3D'font-size:11pt=3D 
> '>Hi Karel, 
> 
> A quick peek at the phpBB 3.x manual shows that users can register the=
mselv=3D 
> es, they then receive an confirmation e-mail in their mailbox to activ=
ate th=3D 
> e account. 
> 
> I don&#8217;t understand what you mean by being spammed, do you al=
low to se=3D 
> nd e-mails to the forum? My idea was that posts can only be made throu=
gh the=3D 
>  forum website. If people don&#8217;t want to watch the forum=
all the time t=3D 
> o see if there are new posts to can put one or multiple lists on their=
watch=3D 
>  lists so they receive an e-mail when someone makes a post (with =
the content=3D 
> s of the post in it) and there is a deeplink to the forum if they want=
to po=3D 
> st a reply. The sender of those e-mails is a noreply address like <=
a href=3D3D"n=3D 
> <a href=3D"oreply@???">noreply">oreply@???&quo=
t;>noreply</a>@e-tunity.com</a> . 
> 
> Hosting is no problem, and I&#8217;ll pick up the task as moderato=
r. What w=3D 
> e need is a forum url (xrforum.e-tunity.com or maybe registering a .or=
g addr=3D 
> ess) and a noreply e-mail address. 
> 
> Kind regards, 
> 
> Rene Kalff 
> 
> On 27-08-08 22:38, &quot;<a href=3D3D"<a href=3D"crossroads@e-=
tunity.com">crossroads">crossroads@???">crossroads<=
/a>@e-tun=3D 
> ity.com</a>&quot; &lt;<a href=3D3D"<a href=3D"crossr=
oads@???">crossroads">crossroads@???">cros=
sroads</a>@e-tunity.=3D 
> com</a>&gt; wrote: 
> 
> <BLOCKQUOTE><=3D 
> SPAN STYLE=3D3D'font-size:11pt'>Hi Rene, 
> 
> &gt; I'm trying to split things up in different mail threads so we=
don't &n=3D 
> bsp; 
> &gt; end up 
> &gt; sending endless e-mails about 4 different subjects. <BR&gt=
; 
> &gt; 
> &gt; I was thinking, what do you think about setting up a forum in=
stead &nb=3D 
> sp; 
> &gt; of using 
> &gt; mailing lists? On the form people can decide if they want to =
receive &=3D 
> nbsp; 
> &gt; new 
> &gt; posts as an e-mail and it's much easier for a casual visitor =
to see &n=3D 
> bsp; 
> &gt; what's 
> &gt; going on, ask a question or whatever. 
> &gt; 
> &gt; I can install phpBB for example on my webserver, if you rathe=
r have a =3D 
> 
> &gt; different forum application that's no problem either. <BR&=
gt; 
> 
> I'm quite indifferent actually ;-) 
> 
> I run a phpBB forum myself for a small interest group, and it works &a=
mp;nbsp;<=3D 
> BR> 
> really well. Mind that if you run it, you'll have the hassle of &n=
bsp; 
> spammers, or you need to sign up people by hand. I agree though that a=
&nbs=3D 
> p; 
> forum might be more easily managed and that users can choose what to &=
amp;nbsp;=3D 
> 
> see and what not. 
> 
> So all in all, I'm for. What do the rest of the list users think? If &=
amp;nbsp;=3D 
> 
> we proceed, then yes, I'd like to ask you to host it, I'm kinda &n=
bsp; 
> swamped in real-world work right now (you know, the one that pays the =
&nbsp=3D 
> ; 
> bills). 
> 
> Best regards / met vriendelijke groet, 
> Karel Kubat / mob. +31 6 2956 4861 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
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